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Why big families are easier:
written by Matthew Archibold

Submitted by My Daughter In Law “Charity Schreiber”

Patience. I never have to teach patience. My children know that I can’t drop everything for them if I have a baby in my arms.

Work Ethic. My children have learned to work because there are always chores to do in a small house packed with little messy lunatics. And they all learn quickly that sometimes they have to clean up a mess even though they didn’t make it.

Humility. My children have learned itís not always their turn. They’ve accepted they can’t always get their way because other people have to get their way sometimes. They’ve learned that some children are better at certain things than they are.

Foreign language skills. You can learn a lot of Spanish by watching ten years of Dora the Explorer that you just can’t pick up in two. And now with the Diego spin off I’m practically fluent.

Laughter. The children have learned to laugh at the insane non sequiturs of younger siblings. They’ve learned that laughing just feels better when seven people are doing it along with you.

Competition. Do I really need to go into this? Everything is a competition in big families. The children compete over who reads faster, who drinks their milk faster, who gets to the bathroom first etc. Everything is a competition and they’re all keeping score.

Balance. The floor of the front room of my home is a minefield of toys and childhood paraphernalia. Just walking through the room requires great skill and balance. I’m absolutely convinced my two year old will be a favorite for Gold on the balance beam in the 2016 Olympics. (She might have to lay off the cookies a little but I’ll deal with that later.)

Life isn’t fair. Sometimes you just give it to the baby because you want a little quiet. Not all the time. But sometimes.

Just say “No”. Being able to say “no” may be the most undervalued skill in this world. The need to be liked is pervasive. The need to be cool even more so. Having brothers and sisters teaches children to say “no” about 143 times a day. It’s a good skill.

Praying. They learn that nothing beats praying together as a family.

Nature/Nurture. Having many children has taught me that nature has a lot more to do with who my kids are than nurture. This is helpful, especially when your children misbehave you don’t have to feel bad about it. Just say “Stupid nature!!!” and blame your spouse’s genes.

Name Calling. You can occasionally call your child by the wrong name and still not be considered a terrible parent. They know who you mean just from your tone. Sometimes if you need something done you can call the wrong name and someone will still show up. That helps.

Spying. My children have learned that they can’t get away with anything. I have spies who look a lot like them who are willing to drop the dime on them for anything. Even at school I’ve got a child in just about every grade. If they do something I’ll hear. That keeps them nervous. And I like keeping my kids a little nervous.

Friendship. The children have many friends. They’ve got girly friends, crying friends, fun loving friends, consoling friends, and crazy friends. And they all have the same last name. And theyll be there forever for each other. No matter what.

Love. I think my children have learned to love because there are others around them to love and who love them. I honestly can think of no better way to teach children to love than siblings.

The Tree
Advice from a tree
  • Stand Tall and Proud
  • Go out on a limb
  • Remember your roots
  • Drink Plenty of water
  • Be content with your natural beauty
  • Enjoy the view


This American family that has stood together though good times and bad, though years of trial and strength through some very strange events in very many states, we are an American Family.


Who’s Who in Your Family

  • Your first cousin is your aunt or uncle’s child.  Your first cousin’s child is your first cousin once removed.  Your first cousin will always be you first cousin, wether it be your aunt or uncle’s child or their grandchild or great grand child (first cousin twice removed). They all descended from your grandparents.
  • Your second cousin is your grandparent’s siblings child (Your mom or dad’s aunt or uncle’s child).  That second cousin’s child would be your second cousin once removed and so on.
  • Your third cousin is your great grandaunt or great granduncle’s child. The third cousin would be your third cousin once removed.

Here are some terms that are often misunderstood:

Siblings - have parents in common. Brothers and sisters are siblings.

Grandnephew (or Grandniece) - the grandchild of your brother or sister.

Great Aunt (or Great Uncle) - the sister (or Brother) of your grandparent.

Great grandaunt (or granduncle) - the sister or brother of your great grandparents.

Stepfather (or stepmother) - the husband or wife of your natural mother or father who is not blood related to yourself.

Stepchild - the child of your husband or wife by a former marriage.

Stepsister (or stepbrother) - the child of your stepfather or stepmother.

Half sister (or half brother) - the child of your natural parent and a step parent.

Lineal relations - those in the “direct” line of ascent or descent, such as a grandparent.

Collateral relations - those relatives who are “linked” by a common ancestor, such as aunts, uncles and cousins.

These pages are about lineal and collateral relations.






Stacey Family Crest
Stacey Family Crest

Noctes dicsque : Night precedes day and day precedes night . Life is a circle to be lived.

From all the many years of research I have done on our family, I have found one thing out for certain, we take care of our own always.

You may count us down at times but never out. We do survive.

The Family Castle

by Nancy Rakovszky

Our castle stands atop the hills

And offers strength of spirit

Place your hand little one unto mine

And I shall lead you to it.

The Family castle is now your home

The stones grow ever stronger

For the castle’s built on love and hope

Alone you are no longer.

Behind these walls that rise up high

Lies a garden lush and green

It’s offerings bountiful as the sea

And beauty yet unseen.

Drink the waters that beckon you near

They’ll fill your heart with hope

Feast on the knowledge offered here

For that will help you cope.

Our fires will fill your soul with warmth

To cast off the chill outside

Yet stay not here within these walls

They were not built to hide.

Swing wide the gates so you can see

The world lie at your feet

For without that hides beyond

The castle’s incomplete.

Mount our stallion strong and true

For he shall be your guide

His legs have carried those of us

Who’ve ventured far outside.

Fear not what you do not yet know

Lead on and find your star

Fill your pack with experience

That you shall gain afar.

The good times will outnumber bad

Though sometimes you shall fall

It’s at that time that you should seek

The strength of the castle wall.

For no matter the path you choose to take

No matter the strength of tides

You need only look inside your heart

For that’s where the castle resides.

The Stacys’ have a strength of will and I believe we show that will to everyone who would like or not like to see it. We are a stubborn bunch. We fight for purposes we know we cannot win, yet we still fight the fight. Why I cannot answer. Maybe it’s just because we believe that we can see our future and like day becomes night we travel on.


Robert Poage ( as he spelled it) came from County Derry, Ireland in 1737 accompanied by his wife, Elizabeth, and 9 children and a brother, John, landed in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. A 10th child was born there in 1738. Then he and his family moved to Staunton, Virginia in 1740 where they settled. Robert was a farmer by occupation and owned a farm 3 miles from Stranton. He was a member of the first county court of Augusta County, Virginia. According to tradition Elizabeth was a member of the Sheridan family and a cousin of Richard Brinley Sheridan. Other sources say that her maiden name was Preston. Nine of the children names were Margaret, John, Martha, Thomas, George, Mary, Elizabeth, William, and Robert.

Robert’s son John Poague (as he spelled it) was the second child. He was born in Derry County, Ireland and came to America with his parents and resided near Staunton, Virginia. He served as Augusta County surveyor for 30 years. In 1778 he became sheriff. George Washington requested the aid of the Pogues of Virginia to aid in securing the Ohio Valley and inducing settlers to move there. In accordance with the request a William Poague (believed to be his brother) moved to Kentucky on the Ohio Valley in 1778. He lost his life in an indian battle, leaving 7 children. Other members of the family then settled in Adams and Greene Counties, Ohio about 1800. John Poague gave each of his children a large family bible. His will was probated in Augusta County, Virginia April 22, 1789. Their children were Robert, George, James, John, Thomas, Elizabeth, and Ann.

Son Thomas was born in Staunton, Virginia. At George Washington’s request came to Greene County, Ohio on land still owned (1925) by his descendants. He died there in 1816. On December 19, 1809, he married Margaret Boggs, daughter of Robert and Sarah Boggs of Fayette County, Kentucky. They had two sons Robert Davis and William.

Eldest son, Robert Davis Poague was born January 6, 1846 and died August 10, 1859. He married Elizabeth Margaret Goode January 6, 1846. She was the daughter of Burvell and Elizabeth (Smith) Goode of Waynesville, Ohio. They had five children, Margaretta E., born March 31, 1847 died February 4, 1881 married Honorable Thomas J. Pringle. William T. born July 31, 1849, Thomas B. born May 9, 1852, Mary Ellen born July 25, 1854 died January 11, 1857. Charles M. born August 25, 1859. died January 18, 1925 was a prominent Chicago financier and real estate dealer and operator.


The following is from a letter from James Pogue, Sandrainstrasse 81, 3007 Berne, Switzerland, to John O. Pogue, 17765 South Austin Road, Manteca, California August 1, 1986.

Which of the Pogues are you?

I hear there’s a dozen or two.

When there’s a fight,

There’s one in sight,

Which of the Pogue’s are you?

I myself am James, a 5th generation Canadian. Our people arrived from Belfast in 1825 after having lived in County Cavan.

While recently in London, prior to visiting to visiting Dublin and Belfast, I dropped in to the Mormon genealogical centre to see if there was anything they had on file that might be of use to me. As you were listed amongst the various people interested in the Pogue family I thought I’d write and see if our families’ paths crossed.

According to what I remember hearing from a dear departed aunt of mine years ago, there we apparently two ships with relatives aboard which left from Belfast together. The story has it that the vessels separated in a storm at sea one arriving in Canada and the other one landing at an unknown port in the United States. All I know of the emigees is that my great great grandfather William and his wife Margaret arrived sometime in the summer of 1825. There were Pogues in Canada before that– the earliest I have discovered so far being in 1819.

As far as our surname in Ireland goes, there are several Pogues still in Ulster and Eire both, as well as others in London and presumably other parts of England. The Irish don’t seem to be all that interested in family history beyond where their grandfather might have been from.

From what I can gather, Pogue, along with Poak, and Poke are names which appear in the County Antrim hearth money rolls of the 1600’s. They are considered synonyms of Pollock which derives from the Gaelic pollag, ‘A little pool’. According to an author by the name of Anderson in Scottish Nation, published in 1863, “In old writings the name is spelled Polloc and Pollok, the latter being the form generally adopted.

I couldn’t for the life of me see any similarity between Pogue and Pollock until when thumbing through a volume in the Public Records Office in Belfast I noticed that a certain William Pollogue who rented land in Slivenagravery, County Antrim, in 1719 changed the spelling to Pogue 9 years later. It should also be considered that the Irish tend to drop not only the endings of words, but syllables in the middle too. Today, at any rate, Pogue means ‘Kiss’ in Gaelic as you may well know.

It seems that people spelling their names Poag, Poage, Poake, Poge, et al were tenants who arrived from Scotland (Presbyterians to a man) during the Plantation of Ulster. At some point many of these Scotch-Irish joined the Established Church (aka the Church of Ireland-which is the name the Anglican Church goes by in Ireland). There are presently Pogues belonging to each denomination and there may be Methodists and Baptists too. However, I have yet to run into any Catholics.

The ancestral genetic makeup would seem to be Celtic with some Norse thrown in for good measure. The Romans never seemed to have pushed far enough northwards to have been a factor in Scotland and they never did make it to Ireland. The Angles invaded lowland Scotland from where we originate in the 600’s, but if I’m not mistaken they were of Celtic stock anyway. As for the Norsemen who conquered England in 1066, they were only Norsemen who settled in France. At any rate that’s my assessment of the story.

I am interested in any Pogues who entered the United States in 1825 at the same time my great great grandfather William got to Ontario, Canada.

James Pogue


The Pogues

“Portland, Oregon December 10, 1907. Editor The Register

In the very interesting article on “The Old Fort” by Mr. W.W. Stephenson in the September issue of The Register. I notice a slight error. William Poage was not the first but the second husband of Ann( Kennedy )Wilson Poage Linsey McGinty. She probably was-surely ought have been, the sweetheart of William Poage at that time , but the casual reader might infer that they had not yet been married when William Poage made for her the chair mentioned as having been made in the fort in 1776. They had in fact then been married about 13 years, and had five children. A few facts concerning William Poage and his wife, Ann, may be of interest in this connection.

William Poage came with his parents, Robert and Elizabeth Poage from Ireland settled near Staunton, Virginia about 1737. The name Poague or Pogue was in Scotland spelled Pollock. It is the same name in origin as Polk, and Robert Poague who settled in Augusta County, Virginia, was a nephew or grandnephew of the Robert Pollok or Polk who came from Ireland about fifty years sooner, settled in Maryland and founded the Polk family of America. A few of the descendants of Robert Polk in the direct male line of descent now spell their name Pogue and Poage. William Poage’s sister Martha married Andrew Woods of Abermale County and William also lived in that county for a time. While there he served in the Albermale Company of Militia, in actual service for protection of the frontier against the Indians. (Hening’s Statutes, VII 206) This was 1758. Soon after this date he married Ann Wilson, a widow, whose maiden name was Kennedy. Ann’s first husband was John Wilson who lived but a short time. He and Ann had one daughter named Martha. William and Ann Poage lived a number of years in Rockbridge County Virginia, about 1771 they moved to the vincinity of Abinton where William was appointed “county sergeant” of militia. In 1774, as stated in Summers History of Southwest Virginia, he was in charge of Fort Russell on the Long Hunter’s Road, while Lieutenant Daniel Boone was in charge of Fort Moore, four miles west of Fort Russell. In 1775, the whole family moved to Kentucky. The first child of William and Ann Poage was a daughter, Elizabeth, who was eleven years old at the time on the migration. The Draper Collection of Kentucky manuscripts, owned by the Wisconsin Historical Society, contains her own written statement of migration. It has been published in Bulbert’s Historic Highways, Vol.6 Pages 117 and 118. Although Elizabeth’s grandfather , Robert Poague, was by profession a school teacher before he came to America, she lived in her childhood on the extreme frontier where the opportunities for a girl to get an education were most meager and her occasional errors in spelling and use of capitals and failure to use points of punctuation may well be excused. Moreover, she was not far removed from the time even eminent scholars felt no obligation to always spell the same word the same way. Elizabeth’s Statement, to the publication of which I infer the Wisconsin Historical Society will not object, follows:

I was born in Virginia on the 4th day of September 1764 in Rockbridge County near the Natural Bridge. My father moved on the North Fork of Holston within 4 or 5 miles of Abbingdom and remained there two or three years and in March , 1775 we moved down Holstein near the Big Island where we remained until September 1775 when Col. Callaway and his company came along going to Kentucky when my father William Pogue packed up and came with him with our family friend Col. Boone and with his wife and his family and Col. Hugh McGarry, Thomas Denton and Richard Hogan were on the road before us when we arrived at Boonesborough the latter part of September. There was only four or six cabins built along on the Bank of the Kentucky river but not picketted in being open on two sides.”

William Pogue was shot by Indians between Harrodsburg and Logan’s Station September 1,1778, and died two days later fro the effect of the wounds. Afterwards, as stated, his widow married Col. Joseph Lindsay, the “Hero of the Wilderness” described in Mrs. Morton’s poem on page 62 of the issue of the Register published September 1905.

William and Ann Pogue had seven children. Elizabeth, already mentioned, married John Thomas, of Harrodsburg, and is said to have died at that place about 1850. Robert, born in Virginia October 6, 1766, was a colonel of a Kentucky Regiment in the war of 1812 and constructed Fort Amanda in Ohio which he named for his daughter and not for his wife as the histories state. He married Jane Hopkins. He named one of his sons William Lindsay after his father and first step father. Most of his descendants spell their name Pogue. The third child was Joseph, born in Virginia, May 8, 1770, is said to have married and moved to Missouri, Martha, born in Virginia in 1772, married a Mr. Hanna or Hannah, and probably lived and died at or near Shelbyville,Kentucky, Mary, also called “Polly” was born in Virginia, March 10, 1775 married Oswald Thomas and Their home was in the vicinity of Shelbyville, Kentucky. She also showed her affectionate remembrance of her first step father by naming one of her sons, Lindsay. Ann was born after the migration, and is said to have been the third white child born in Kentucky. The date of her birth was August 26, 1777. She married her second cousin, John Poage, of Greenup County, who was, I believe, Colonel of a Kentucky regiment in the war of 1812. The youngest of the family was Amaziah, born on August 17, 1778. He died while a boy.

H. M. Williamson

Register of Kentucky State Historical Society

Frankfort, Kentucky

Louisville, Kentucky

The Globe Printing Company


From John Bennie Jordan

Fredonia, Arizonia

August 14, 1982

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